I hate sounding like one of those whiny activist-types who turns red in the face anytime an off-color joke gets told in my presence. I can generally laugh along with a good gay joke, because, let’s face it, some stereotypes ARE true. And funny.
The truth is, when someone tells a joke that holds the potential of being offensive, they are aware of it. They will glance around nervously before telling a story in which a black man, a rabbi, or a fag ends up looking like a fool. They will drop their voice and move in closer as if the joke is an important secret. The audience will laugh heartily, clap each other on the back, and say “That’s just TERRIBLE!”
Everyone acknowledges that the joke was just awful and the teller should be ashamed of himself, and then they each share the great joke that heard last week and the cycle repeats itself.
What has drawn my ire today is not the jokes told in little circles at parties.
What is making me a red-faced activist today is the innocuous off-the-cuff statements by hordes of pre-teens and not a few adults who should know better.
Let me spell this out for you in a way that is impossible to misunderstand:
“Gay” is NOT a synonym for “Lame” or “Dorky” or “Stupid” or “Crappy” or any other negatively charged adjective.
I used to play XBox Live. I really enjoyed playing these games with other people around the world, flying planes, hunting aliens and the like. But I found myself getting mad at all the 11 year olds who would scream, “This sucks! This game is so gay!” I couldn’t stand listening to them calling each other “Fags” and “Homos” when they really meant, “You’re a bonehead.”
I tried several times to correct these kids, and tell them that they were being offensive. Often the kids hadn’t given their words any thought and once they realized what they were saying they stopped. One 15 year old I talked to actually thanked me for making him think about what he was saying… his brother was gay and it just didn’t occur to him that he was reinforcing the idea that gays are bad.
I eventually gave up playing the games because it was just too negative.
Language is sneaky. We are easily manipulated by the way words are used to sell us on ideas. Advertisers have known this for decades. You can be certain the government knows this.
Do you think “The Patriot Act” would have passed through Congress if it had been called “The Retraction of American’s Civil Rights?”
I don’t think so.
One of my favorite bloggers recently described something as “fucking gay” when it was clearly meant as “lame.” Commenters on the post continued the use of “gay” to mean everything from “annoying” to “stupid.”
I know it wasn’t meant to be offensive to me or any other gay people, but the fact remains that using a word that defines a major part of my self-identity to mean “lame” or “unworthy” or “stupid” really does offend me.
If I thought the blogger was intentionally being bigoted, I would call them out. If I thought that the blogger had a real problem with gay people, I would link to the post and get my “Flaming Fuck You” finger ready…
Instead, I just want to point out to everyone that you should really be careful what language you use. Think about the origin of the slang you use. Realize that the seemingly innocuous things you write could have a negative effect on your readers.
@Othurme
Sorry for so mangling your moniker. The font color and style Jester uses doesn’t agree with my eyes apparently
i don’t agree with my friends on plenty of issues, that isn’t the problem here. but smoking or non smoking is not the same argument as gay = stupid, dave. you have to see that.
Orthune is not the worst thing I’ve been called on Jester’s site.
Dave, I don’t understand why you would want to lead us by example, but take teenagers at their word instead of leading them by example. I think they need more.
@Hellohahanarf
In the smoking example I thought you’d correctly associate standard “peer pressure” example for what it was. I wasn’t trying to equate language with smoking of course.
But the same principles apply, we “insert group here” all think this “insert ideal here” so you should think the same way. You don’t want to be different do you?
(The irony of having to point this out to someone who regularly reads this site is seriously killing me)
Today it is we (friends of gays everywhere) think (the use of the word gay as lame) is offensive, therefore you should think the same way.
Well I don’t. Peer pressure isn’t going to change my mind.
Othurme put it wonderfully into perspective for me when he mentioned smoking around non smokers. I wouldn’t smoke in front of a non smoker, because I feel I am infringing on their rights because they have to breath that air.
But if my friend didn’t like the color blue I’d still wear a blue shirt. But I wouldn’t wear a blue shirt to his wedding, how’s that for you?
If I think someone uses the gay as “lame” to put down gay people, I’ll call them on it, when I don’t think they are I won’t.
I’d like the same courtesy. Don’t assume my speech is meant to offend when you know me better. I think that’s what Dawn was trying to get across.
I brought up the word “phat” in an earlier example and how “phat” was offensive to fat people and it was dismissed out of turn by Jester because he “didn’t get it”. He said that “phat” meant good so you can’t use that word in this argument.
I didn’t get to rebut that at the time because I got caught up on something else but I’ll respond to it now. While “phat” was used to describe something good or cool, it was also used as an antonym to fat. People would be all offended when you used it on them, until you pointed out you meant “phat”. It gave credence to the fact that you were supposed to be offended to be fat and that’s why fat people didn’t like it and that’s why I brought it into this conversation.
Sometimes “Nova” means a chevy, sometimes it means no go. The marketing people don’t get to say how things get interpreted all the time. I’m in a different market than you.
Don’t make me analogize again .. it’s a sickness I just can’t stop ahhhhhhhhh.
Dave – This isn’t about peer pressure. No one here wants people to stop saying Gay=lame because it’s the cool thing to do. In fact if it really is common teenspeak, then apparently it’s the “cool” thing to say gay=lame, and maybe you should consider the peer pressure you might be succumbing to when the teens tell you “all us teens say that”.
No one in fact is even trying to make you do anything for any reason. Do what you like. We’re all here discussing why we don’t like what you (or at least want the right to) do.
We just want you to stop smoking your gay=lame cigarette around us (since that one seemed to hit home).
@Othurme
But the discussion like the word has also evolved, or at least it has to me. We’ve been discussing several topics for a while now.
We’ve gone past the the word is offensive/the word is not offensive. We’ve established who is in those camps very neatly.
Now we’ve moved on to the treatment of others who don’t share our viewpoints and tolerance of dissenting opinion.
I think arranged marriages are abhorrent, but I respect the fact that other people have different customs.
You might find the use of the word offensive. But another culture has adapted it in a way where it isn’t offensive to them and isn’t meant to refer to you. Why do you get to intrude into that culture to tell them different?
There is a difference when it comes to “cultures” like the KKK. They are actively seeking to harm other people through both word and deed.(I bring this up because someone was going to if I didn’t)
Gamers aren’t trying to hurt anyone. Any offense taken is a perceived slight that isn’t there. It’s the perception that I’ve been arguing just as much as the usage.
I don’t understand how me not wanting you to offend me (like me not wanting you to smoke in my presence) is intruding on any culture or anyone’s right to do anything. Just please don’t offend me. Please? I don’t understand how that is a hard thing to do and why it demands you to take such a stance and why I don’t have a right to point it out if you do offend me without it being called censorship?
Nigger was once a common term for white people to use, not just KKK, but good, wholesome, god-fearing white people. It was just an every day term, with no offense intended. That was the word evolution. It was however still offensive to black people regardless of its intent. It’s terrible word to use. There are other words like it that still offend people when you use them even if you didn’t mean to. Why does it bother you to take them into consideration before you speak? I’m not guessing you would blurt out nigger without thinking about it, even if some gamers came up to you and “no, it’s ok, we use that all the time”? You can make you own decision about using a word whether or not it’s “common” speak, for me by the way and the group of people I see and meet every day, it doesn’t seem to be a common usage of the word.
And if other cultures thought that words I used were offensive, I would try not to use them, that’s called respect. I try to have it for people.
I have no statistics to back this up and someone can correct me if it’s wrong, but I’m guessing that a sample of online gamers would reveal a culture that HEAVILY leans towards young, white males. If this is true, this is not the place I would look to for cultural acceptance of language. It’s easy to see why this group may be quicker to adopt offensive language, historically having been the lead offenders. (I know this and I’m a white male).
Tracy – Obviously not everyone feels that way.
Othurme – Sarcasm is lost upon the unintelligent.
Dave – If you are not a racist or a homophobe, why would you want to continue using language that construes to others that you are? It’s not about a group or a person having power over your speech, it’s about owning up and being responsible for the words that you use. I can’t read your mind, I can’t tell what your intentions are simply by looking, I have only the words your speak and write to go by. If you use words that I view as offensive or racist how am I supposed to know that you are neither?
I don’t think the conversation has devolved here into a “fuck you dissenter” atmosphere. I think you will agree that the vast majority of the dissenting opinions here have been offered in an intentionally offensive manner.
“When you equate gay as “lame” being offensive to homosexuals, you are saying that the people using the expression are equating it with gay people. … I maintain that when you take this stance you are going to perpetuate the negativity.”
I don’t think it can be made any clearer that the use of “gay” to mean “lame” came about as an insult to homosexuals. It is my opinion that to allow this usage is to perpetuate the negativity.
Mike Deakin – I’ll say again, sarcasm is lost upon the unintelligent.
Hello – what’s wrong with saying fuck?
webmiztris – Here’s a very simple question, typed slowly so that can be easily understood: If you are not a racist or a homophobic bigot, why would you choose to use language that is racist or homophobic?
On the web, you are what you write. I didn’t push what I think on you, I read what you had to say and questioned your usage of the term.
Jennyjinx – Thank you. Exactly.
Mike Deakin – Spooky.
othurme – Glad I can be of assistance, would you like to know your opinions on the flat tax?
Dave – I’m not telling people what they can and cannot say. I’m telling people that I find the use of the term “gay” to mean “lame” offensive. You can absolutely feel free to use it all you want, and I will feel free to interpret it as offensive. I am perplexed by your insistence that there is not a logical progression from “gay” = “lame” = “homosexual” = “lame.”
hello – The illegal immigrant issue isn’t one that makes a very good analogy to this topic. But I think you have put it quite well when you say, “If I can avoid saying fuck in polite society, then i can avoid saying gay or retarded as well. I’m willing to that for my friends, rather sad that you aren’t.”
Dave – Do your black friends allow you to call them “niggers?” Do your Latino friends laugh when you talk about “Spics?” If you don’t use those terms in front of them, but then use the term to a third person, are you not disparaging your friends? If you believe in equality for other races and homosexuals, why would you choose to use language that is detrimental to that end?
You seem to be stuck on this idea that you don’t want someone else imposing their opinions or pressuring you to conform to their standards. No one here is telling you that you aren’t allowed to use the term. No one here is telling you what to say or not say. All you are being told is that your choice to use that term can and will be taken as offensive by many people. It is your choice to offend or not offend as you see fit.
@Jester
Because I’ve heard at least one gay friend use the term in the same context, I have to assume that not every gay person agrees with your interpretation of the word.
Nigger and Spic never had different meanings. They’ve never been uttered as far as I know without a negative meaning. I’ve heard the word gay used in all 3 contexts without negative meaning towards a gay person.
If you say don’t see that the comment section has turned against the people putting forward their dissenting opinions I have to believe you you’re also being sarcastic or at least insincere.
@Othurme
Why did black people start using the term African-American? Was black offensive? If so, why was it considered offensive?
Do I have to say African-American when referring to black people? What if they’re from Trinidad?
If I say that’s a black car over there, do I have to say it’s a black car or an African-American car? Of course I say black car because I’m referring to the car, not a person. I know the context in which it’s used, just like I know “black humor” never referred to black people in the history of language.
Gay has been an adjective for a long time. It means happy. Gay recently evolved into a noun/adjective in a different context. It means homosexual. It still also means happy. It is now in an evolution that it will also mean lame. It still also means happy, and it means homosexual when used in a different context.
I’m sick of political correctness. It leads to a society where you can’t say anything without possibly hurting someone’s feeling.
There are soccer leagues where there are no score is kept because someone might win and if there is a winner there is a loser. Can’t have kids thinking they are losers
Kids get a high school diploma without knowing how to read because their teachers a terrified of failing someone.
I’m not going to comment here again. It’s not friendly anymore.
“It is now in an evolution that it will also mean lame”
It doesn’t have to be. You’re choosing to help it’s evolution. Even though you know it’s origin. You acknowledged that “In this particular instance, I do believe that the person who came up with using the word gay, in this was was definitely using it as a bash towards gays…” You can choose not to let it continue and there’s no reason not to? Can you give me a reason why you would want to let it evolve?
Dave – Where have I ever stated that I am speaking on behalf of all gay people everywhere? This post came about as a way to communicate to the people who read my site, most of whom I respect and have befriended, that I find the use of the term “gay” to mean “lame” offensive. I have reiterated several times that you are absolutely free to use whatever language you feel entitled to use.
I don’t think anyone here misunderstands the point you’ve been trying so hard to make. I think the “unwelcomeness” you’re feeling is coming from the frustration from feeling like you’re not being heard, and the frustration from other commenters who are hearing what you say, but don’t agree. We’re talking about a subjective interpretation of a word. Where a heterosexual white man might not see anything wrong a term, a gay black woman might. The issue is whether or not you continue to use the term despite its offensive interpretation.
I’m not black, and I don’t pretend to fully understand the experience even if my own life is similar in many ways. However, I think the use of African-American was an attempt (perhaps a poor one) by people to distinguish their own heritages from those of say, people from Trinidad. No one likes to be lumped into a large group or categorized and labeled based on one characteristic.
Using the term “black” lumped people from many different nationalities together based solely on skin color. It made an assumption that the experience of someone from Africa was the same as a Jamaican. It’s the same as calling anyone from Asia “Chinese” without knowing whether they are from Laos, Thailand, Japan, the Philippines, etc. It may not seem like a big deal to you, but it is a big deal to them. There are major cultural differences and to not acknowledge them is rude and presumptuous.
Political correctness for the sake of political correctness is annoying. Using an offensive term simply because you don’t understand (or even don’t agree) that it’s offensive, despite this intelligent and spirited debate, is you making a choice to be offensive.
You can say it with no malicious intent, and I, along with many others, will still read it as offensive.
It’s unfortunate that you feel the atmosphere here is unfriendly. I enjoyed your comments.
Today I made a really big mistake. My team leader at work (who I’m cool with – we joke around all the time) is gay and today I accidentally said “you’re gay” after asking him a question if he watched a TV show and he said no. After I said “you’re gay” he said “I know”. Was this really really bad? I’m like afraid of getting fired now! He’s a really soft spoken person that doesn’t yell or get mad – he NEVER gets mad. Do you think he really took this to heart? I’m sure he’s used to people saying “that’s gay…you’re gay” you know to mean STUPID. I NEVER USE THE WORD GAY, I DONT KNOW WHY IT SLIPPED OUT TODAY ALL OF A SUDDEN! I’m so mad at myself and feel horrible!!!
please tell me what I should do or think! 
Pinkylee – I can’t tell you what to do or think, but I can tell you that it’s probably likely that your boss didn’t think anything of your comment. I really wouldn’t worry about it. Just don’t make it a habit, and don’t use it to describe things that you think are highly annoying or lame or otherwise negative. You could always just buy him a little gift. Jewelry is always nice.
Jester,
Thanks. However yesterday I had to work and I could NOT stop thinking about the mistake I had made. It took me 3 hours after being at work that I finally got the guts to apologize to him. And mind you he is the EASIEST guy to talk to. Sweetest guy ever – never gets mad, nothing and I think people take advantage of that sadly
Anyways, I went up to him and just said kind of kiddingly, “Are you made at me for what I said yesterday?” (he’s more like a friend than a boss!) and he got all serious and said “what did you say yesterday?” and I said you know….and he was like “Yes, I was a little offended” and I just said that I was sorry and that I usually NEVER say the word GAY! And he’s like “I know, I could tell that you were shocked after you said it and you like ran back to your desk”….and I said “I know! I was so embarrassed and couldn’t believe I said that!” so I said that I apologized and he said “Apology accepted”. I still feel like a moron and can’t
believe I said that cause I never say “You’re gay” or “That’s gay”. I did in middle school but not now. So thanks for your help, I read most comments on here the other day to see if anything related to my situation and they only made me feel worse! Haha. But hopefully someone can use my experience as a lesson! Be careful who you say the word gay around – it might just slip out!! :-/
CORRECTION: “Are you mad* at me for what I said yesterday?”
pinkylee – I’m glad to hear everything worked out all right. And that you have such a good relationship with your boss that you felt comfortable apologizing despite your embarrassment. If only everyone in the world were able to do so.
I’ve given up on the whole political correctness and the change of how the term gay is being changed in our culture. I don’t necessarly consider it a bad thing, I now tell people i’m not gay, I’m a fag.
Then watch their eyes light up like a Xmas tree.
blackthir13en – You must be a hit at parties. I think it’s still important to speak up and correct those who use the term without really considering the true meaning. Those who use it intentionally aren’t worth the time or breath it takes to explain such a simple concept.
Dear Jester and family:
I just wanted to say that God loves you! The Lord Jesus died for you to save you and to change you! You don’t have to be Gay. God made mankind male and female. No matter how hard you try sir, you cannot give a man what a woman can, and nor can a woman give a another woman what a man can. My heart sincerely go out to people who have been confused about their identity. What a shame and what a waste!
Praying for you,
Shelby
Shelby – I don’t recall the Bible saying anywhere that Jesus died to “change me.” As a matter of fact, I don’t believe Jesus ever had anything to say on the subject. If your God made mankind “male and female” he also made them “gay” and “blonde” and “developmentally disabled” and “dark skinned.” Save your prayers for the hungry, the weak, the unjustly persecuted, the ill… leave me and my gay friends alone. We’re just fine, thank you very much.
When I read that comment, I got so pissed off! I was going to respond, but felt I needed to calm down first. Your reply was better than anything I could have written.
When I read this, I thought Shelby was joking. He/she/it was being serious? WTF?
Dear Shelby,
It seems you have extra time and prayers to go around.
Please pray for me. I am an angry vindictive bitch. Seeing comments like this make me want to go all “oh no you di’n't just blaspheme MY God like that…”
And then I try to remember that I’m not supposed to presume to speak for God.
But I’m still feeling angry and wanting to slap you.
Pray for me,
Britt
Dear Jester & Friends:
There is no need to be angry! There is however, a need to be gravely concerned about the state of your Soul. Yes, Mr. Jester, Jesus did speak about bringing about lasting change in the human predicament as did the Apostle Paul and others.
My objective is not to make you angry or sad, but to tell you something of eternal significance and that is God loves you! Again, He made mankind “Male & Female” and equipped each with specific organs to accomondate your “God-given” sexual desires. I hope you will think about it.
It is my sincere desire to bring you a message of love and not hate, but to warn of impending judgment should you reject God’s provision of Salvation!
Praying for You!
Shelby
*sigh* I can’t even believe I’m going to go here. Mother Mary, pray for me…
Miss Shelby, there is something significantly wrong with the sentence “Love and not hate, BUT…”
Sweetheart, Jesus talked about unconditional love. With no but’s.
And the whole point of JESUS, if we’re going to go there, is that we are ALL spared “impending judgment”. Jesus does not say “I am the truth and the way and the light – for non sinners. And also straight people.”
Salvation, if we’re so inclined to accept it, is offered to ALL of us, babe. Straights, gays, liars, whores, and hypocritical bitches.
/banging head against brick wall
P.S. I have always been curious – how does God appoint one to be the messenger for impending judgment? Do you get like emails from God or something? How exactly does one get nominated to be the Paul Revere for Hell Fires and Brimstone??
Geeky Tai-Tai – I just have more practice answering these types of whack jobs. I could totally hook you up with a couple bigots to polish your responses on if you want.
Avitable – Of course she is being serious. I’ve been meaning to ask you if you ever get people leaving comments on your blog planning to save your soul. Clearly, you are in much more danger than I am.
Miss Britt – She must have extra time on her hands… what must she have been googling to reach that post?
Shelby – It angers me that proselytizers like you are so arrogant to think that my life must be miserable or unfulfilled because I am gay. You think that perhaps it’s possible that I am a 32 year old gay man who has never heard the words “Jesus loves you” in his life. That perhaps I’ve just been sitting here at home wishing that someone would tell me a story and hand me a fabulous mythology that I have heretofore never considered… and that just maybe YOU could be the person who could tell the story in such a compelling way that I would suddenly reexamine my entire life, adopt a heterosexual “lifestyle” and raise dozens of good Christian soldiers who will fight the war of the righteous. If you want to be a good Christian, lead by example; volunteer at a soup kitchen, visit the AIDS wards at your local hospital, teach your children tolerance and understanding, donate to charities, counsel those who come to you seeking it. Wait, I do all those things… perhaps I’m a good Christian after all.
Miss Britt – I’ve often wondered about that myself. I think there’s an elaborate paging system not unlike those you find at busy restaurants. When God needs to talk to you, he makes your head vibrate and light up. Of course, I could be wrong… he might just have an iPhone.
I don’t mean to imply that God’s never talked to me.
I just don’t usually get cool messages like “get thee out and start warning!”
Mine usually sounds more like “Britt, stop being a whore.”
Miss Britt – LOL My friend Lee usually says that kind of stuff to me. Maybe he’s God?
britt,
that comment almost made me swallow my tongue it was so funny! then again, maybe i should have seeing as how last week i was sucking face with a gay guy. wonder what that means for me? is this (mostly) straight girl going to hell also? oh wait, didn’t mean to ask you because you aren’t the voice of god. perhaps i’ll call alan rickman…
hello – I always thought the voice of God was more like Morgan Freeman’s. Or maybe like Alanis Morrisette in Dogma. I don’t think he’d have an English accent anyway… it would make him/her sound pretentious.
my love,
alanis didn’t speak in dogma…alan rickman was the voice of god for her…hence my asking him. besides, he’s dreamy.
Jester – I’m so glad this post is still producing hits for you. This is blog is way more fun when god chooses to “send” you his word through the moronically challenged.
Shelby – You are the moronically challenged. I figured you were the only one hear that needed that point clarified.
hello – oh that’s right.. she didn’t speak.. she just let out that awful screech. I’ve reconsidered… I think his/her voice would actually sound more like Daryl Hannah’s in Splash when she’s talking in the mermaid language.
When I hear God he sounds like my Poppi.
Now, go back and read my last comment, and imagine it coming from this very sweet, gentile, proper old man who thought the absolute world of me.
And people wonder why I have issues.
othurme – I know! It was getting just a tad boring around here lately. I think it’s time to go on my next bigot fishing expedition. Oh. Wait. They usually just come to me.
Miss Britt – Did Poppi have an accent?
not an accent so much as a purrrrr
Dear Britt, Jesus did extend His offer of Salvation to everyone (John 3:16), however, the requirement for Salvation is Repentance! That means we have a change of mind with respect to God, Sin, and ourselves, which will lead to a new direction in life.
You cannot make the claim to have been saved and still remain in your rebellion against God. So, while you might want to play games and be critical of me, it won’t deter me one bit from sharing God’s truth.
Shelby
You know, my favorite story from the Bible is when a woman was about to get stoned for being caught in the act of adultery, and Jesus drew a line in the sand told those who were without sin to throw the first stone.
Not even those self righteous bastards had the nerve to start hurling rocks.
Dear Shelby, if you really feel like God is calling you to lead people to him – well, whatever. But may I give you a marketing tip? If people are too busy being insulted and pissed of because of your methods, no one is ever going to hear the message that COUNTS.
You know, all that business about “love”.
Miss Britt, you make me giggle. When God speaks to me, she sounds comforting. But I imagine that God sounds most like someone we would listen to.
Avitable, I thought the same thing.
Shelby, you must have known when you posted your comment that you would recieve a lot of differing opinions. Since according to you, I am going to hell anyway, (being non-christian and all) then I am not afraid to tell you you are wrong. Because the Jesus who I have been told about all my life? I think he would have embraced our Gay community. Are you not treating them like outcasts and lepers when you cast them from your society and tell them to change something that is inherent in them? Does it not occur to you that God made Heterosexuals AND Homosexuals for a reason, and that you may not understand but as a Christian you must accept? I have an idea. Perhaps you should look to yourself and ask if you are really following the teachings of Christ when you question God’s creations. Instead of turning your focus on Gays, perhaps you should consider whether you are living a Christlike existance. Because the God who comforts me and tells me everything is going to be ok (in the voice, mind you, of the old guy in The Wedding Singer) would never send someone to hell for living the way they are made and accepting who they are. To lie to one’s self might be the greatest sin of them all. And if you are encouraging that, perhaps you are not listening to the word of God. Perhaps you should be concerned about the state of YOUR soul. After all, yours is the only soul you really have any business worrying over. You warn us of God’s judgement, but isn’t it your opinions you are inflicting upon us right now?
Miss Britt – So your poppi was a cat. I see. Yes, I can understand why you have issues.
Shelby – I think the issue here is that until your life is so wonderful, sin-free, and righteous you just keep your judgments to yourself. Oh wait, you’re not supposed to judge either… so even after your life is perfect, you should keep yourself from seeking out others to force your beliefs upon.
Miss Britt – I think a better analogy would be “Stop trying to sell cow shit to a dairy farmer.”
ginamonster – When God speaks to me, I pop an extra Lithium. You know, when I think back on the people in my life who embodies the supposed traits of a good Christian, you know, accepting, loving, compassionate, self-sacrificing, and generous… they were all gay.
Hey!! I am “accepting, loving, compassionate, self-sacrificing, and generous”!
Well, I am accepting – of lots of things.
And loving – of.. uh… some people. And stuff. Very loving of stuff.
And – well, I’m empathetic more than compassionate but they are VERY close.
Self-sacrificing – I’m a mother AND a wife, so that’s a given.
And generous! I’m totally generous! I will let you borrow..er… try on my shoes any time you want!
See, not ALL nice people are gay.
Why you gotta hate on the straighties Jester?
Miss Britt – I’m not hating on the straighties. I mean come on, my parents are straighties. I’m just saying that if we’re gonna start throwing around “Christian Values,” most gay people I know are much better about following those ideals.
Except for the promiscuity. I mean, we’re all sluts.
To everyone on this site, I want to say that it appears that all of you are simply making excuses for your rebellion. The stuff that you say concerning your homosexuality being “God ordained” and “Being created this way” doesn’t hold a wet paper bag chance of justifying your perversion!
Homosexuals tell the same old story about their reasons for being Gay. As a woman I want to speak to the women on this site and perhaps the men will get it at some point.
Those of us who have been sexually active for some time knows that whenever a man releases himself inside of our vaginas, there will always be some reminder of the semen that find their way out onto our underwear. I can’t imagine a man doing that to another man in his Anus only to have the same affect.
How does a man feel “normal” to know that semen is dripping out of his Ass onto his underwear? Please make me understand that. Before you begin to spew out your nonsense about Religious people being hate-filled, etc. This isn’t about hate; it is in fact about what comes naturally to men and women. I’m convinced that God did not intended for a man to have a Penis up his butt and nor did He intend that a woman should have to go to a “Sex Toy” store and buy gadgets to try to do for a woman what He naturally gave to Men. Wake up and come to your senses.
Tory Jenkins
Drip? Drip???? HELLO TORY! I suggest you either take your panties off before getting on the ride or cleaning yourself off before putting your clothes back on.
I would have suggested a condom, but I know how “you people” feel about birth control.
Tory Jenkins – I think yours has to be the most ridiculous argument I’ve ever heard. Homosexual sex must be wrong because of semen dripping out of an ass? Women pass all manner of disgusting biohazardous fluids and materials from that gaping hole between their legs and you think a slimy ass is the most abnormal thing? Give me a break. I’m happy for you that you have such a conviction in your knowledge of God’s desires for all of humanity. He must hold you in especially high esteem to trust you with all that knowledge. It’s too bad he couldn’t also gift you with the ability to spell or make a coherent argument. By the way, what is a “semen reminder?” I’m picturing a little sperm icon dancing around on my computer desktop telling me that it’s time to masturbate.
OMG, Tory Jenkins, the underwear…I’m laughing. So, apparently Christians think that it’s all about semen in the underwear? Is that what I’m getting?
Thou shalt honor the semen in the underwear
God, I’m gonna die I’m laughing so hard. I’d say give her a night with me to show her what women can do to women (WITHOUT SEX TOYS), but I’m afraid I’d be too grossed out by all that semen in. her. underwear.
tory,
i am a woman. a healthy and happy woman. when my man lovingly licks, fingers or fucks my ass i don’t feel incredibly normal. fulfilled and normal.
honestly, where in the bible does it say that a woman shouldn’t take her man’s penis into her mouth or anus? yes, it tells us that we were made to procreate, but i can’t remember where it says that if we aren’t making babies that we can’t enjoy our loved one. in many, many wonderful ways.
but honestly, my underwear rarely have semen drippings. i mean really, clean up before heading out from your last trick.
othurme – Seriously, I’ve often falling directly to sleep after sex, but I can’t say I ever got up and put on my underwear without a shower. What kind of nasty does that?
Lori – Thank you for the first belly laugh of the week. “Thou shalt honor the semen in the underwear.” The little known 11th commandment.
hello – I think if you’re not doing it missionary style on the day of your ovulation, you’re pretty much fucked (so to speak) according to these people.
jester, you mean you can HONESTLY say you have never chewed your arm off, quickly dressed and ran for the door??!?!? i mean, really! i’ve certainly slept and then ran. but those kinds of nights involved condoms so there was no drippage. guess that is ok somehow?