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		<title>By: jester</title>
		<link>http://www.jestertunes.com/2007/06/27/gay-blogger-summitgay-blogger-clique-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-21193</link>
		<dc:creator>jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve -  I must confess that I&#039;m really confused by your comment. Perhaps you could provide me with a link to the blog drama you&#039;re referring to? I know you&#039;ve alluded to it several times on your site, but I have yet to figure out exactly what you&#039;re talking about.  This particular post was written back at the end of June...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211;  I must confess that I&#8217;m really confused by your comment. Perhaps you could provide me with a link to the blog drama you&#8217;re referring to? I know you&#8217;ve alluded to it several times on your site, but I have yet to figure out exactly what you&#8217;re talking about.  This particular post was written back at the end of June&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t the blogger summit in June?  Isn&#039;t it now like, September?  I did read your original posting.  I think I may&#039;ve commented on it.  I can&#039;t remember.  I found some things about it, which I could see where words could be misconstrued. I didn&#039;t get the most positive outlook (about the summit) from your post.  But that&#039;s what email is for, to clarify.  Not write blog entries.  I went through a similar drama a couple of weeks ago.  One which could&#039;ve been handled by asking questions; rather than assuming &amp; posting a blog entry.  But I guess you have to consider who you&#039;re dealing with.  As one of the peeps who commented on this thread wrote an entry about me.  I refuted everything he said, under his comments.  But he chose not to post it.  That&#039;s where motives come into play.  But I digress :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t the blogger summit in June?  Isn&#8217;t it now like, September?  I did read your original posting.  I think I may&#8217;ve commented on it.  I can&#8217;t remember.  I found some things about it, which I could see where words could be misconstrued. I didn&#8217;t get the most positive outlook (about the summit) from your post.  But that&#8217;s what email is for, to clarify.  Not write blog entries.  I went through a similar drama a couple of weeks ago.  One which could&#8217;ve been handled by asking questions; rather than assuming &amp; posting a blog entry.  But I guess you have to consider who you&#8217;re dealing with.  As one of the peeps who commented on this thread wrote an entry about me.  I refuted everything he said, under his comments.  But he chose not to post it.  That&#8217;s where motives come into play.  But I digress <img src='http://www.jestertunes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jester</title>
		<link>http://www.jestertunes.com/2007/06/27/gay-blogger-summitgay-blogger-clique-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-16797</link>
		<dc:creator>jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR - Hey there, and welcome! What bothers me the most about this whole mess is the amount of chatter by people who hadn&#039;t even read my posts.  They talked like I was being some bitchy queen who was name calling and being otherwise nasty. That wasn&#039;t the case at all. Thank you for being the only person from that group who understands and agrees about the existence of the clique. My posts never even said anything really negative about the clique, just that it existed and I was reminded of being in middle school and trying to figure out where I fit in. It was an exercise in self-analysis that got blew out of proportion by my daring to suggest there should be nametags! Kee-righst! 

My comments about people who hadn&#039;t/didn&#039;t respond to comments weren&#039;t directed at the people whose blogs I commented on the week prior to the event.  Those comments were about the people who had ignored repeated comments and attempts at communication for several weeks/months before the event was even planned.

I haven&#039;t mentioned it here yet, but after talking to Dan who has decided to not organize the summit next year, *I* am going to put together an event. My vision for it is somewhat grander and a bit more formal (with a big party too). There will be more details soon.

I really enjoyed meeting you. You were a lot of fun (and a great dancer)! I&#039;m a generally kind person which makes the whole thing that much funnier to me.  I almost never get to enjoy being labeled as the bitch!

Keep in touch! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR &#8211; Hey there, and welcome! What bothers me the most about this whole mess is the amount of chatter by people who hadn&#8217;t even read my posts.  They talked like I was being some bitchy queen who was name calling and being otherwise nasty. That wasn&#8217;t the case at all. Thank you for being the only person from that group who understands and agrees about the existence of the clique. My posts never even said anything really negative about the clique, just that it existed and I was reminded of being in middle school and trying to figure out where I fit in. It was an exercise in self-analysis that got blew out of proportion by my daring to suggest there should be nametags! Kee-righst! </p>
<p>My comments about people who hadn&#8217;t/didn&#8217;t respond to comments weren&#8217;t directed at the people whose blogs I commented on the week prior to the event.  Those comments were about the people who had ignored repeated comments and attempts at communication for several weeks/months before the event was even planned.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t mentioned it here yet, but after talking to Dan who has decided to not organize the summit next year, *I* am going to put together an event. My vision for it is somewhat grander and a bit more formal (with a big party too). There will be more details soon.</p>
<p>I really enjoyed meeting you. You were a lot of fun (and a great dancer)! I&#8217;m a generally kind person which makes the whole thing that much funnier to me.  I almost never get to enjoy being labeled as the bitch!</p>
<p>Keep in touch! <img src='http://www.jestertunes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there buddy!  I&#039;m sure you are sick to death of this whole conversation, but I generally do a blog at a time and read through several posts at once.  Sorry, it just works best with my schedule.  I did read the big controversial post and I didn&#039;t get the whole negative thing.  Maybe because you were being very kind to me, or maybe because I had heard such horrible things in regards to what was said and then when I read it, I didn&#039;t see it.

It is a Clique first and foremost and I stand behind you in agreement on that comment.  Secondly there is cliques within that clique if you can believe that.  It is pretty much like the gay community in a smaller division and I am with you in that I wish it didn&#039;t exist, but if cliques didn&#039;t exist we would live in a totally different world.  I hate to admit it, but I had a boyfriend in my past that said developmentally on an emotional and social basis, gay men are twelve year old girls (he is now a psychologist).  That means guarded, insecure and into those damn cliques. I agree, and even the ones who claim to be all inclusive like say the bears are still elitist and can be real jerks. 

Oh and when i say there are sub cliques, please know I am not a part of many of them including even the bloggers in SF.  Several of them although I know them wont give me the time of day because they think things about me that I don&#039;t think are justified or just frankly because they are not nice human beings.

I did get your comment a bit before the summit and I don&#039;t recall, but if it had a &quot;reply to&quot; address I definitely either replied or intended to.

End result since this is already long, I enjoyed meeting and talking briefly with you.  I was loaded and was entertaining non blogger out of town guests who i likely focused on too much as they integrated just fine, so if I had to do over and my social skills weren&#039;t boozed over I&#039;m sure we would have spoken more and longer with you and recall enjoying the time we did talk.  

The parking and even mass transit down there that day was awful, agreed. I can tell you I have been interacting with these folks I know for going on two years and some are great people, some I am always kind to in person despite what I really feel, but Dan is probably the best about including everyone and not wanting to not include anyone.  Like me he was out of sorts that night due to liquor and other pressures he had on him at that time, but really he is a very open to all and a incredibly sweet and kind person, so I know I can speak for Kalvin, Dan and I when I say that sucks it felt that way and that is something I will work on if there ever this is anything like this again.  

As for weight, I&#039;m not thin myself so I have no negative opinion of anyone on weight in regards to who a person is.  If I did I would have to hate myself and my whole family and I don&#039;t and I don&#039;t care about that even the tiniest bit in my friends or anyone else.  I hope that you are getting some solutions with those you have likely had back and forth comments and Im sorry it turned out to feel that way.  I hope to see you again and to improve that impression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there buddy!  I&#8217;m sure you are sick to death of this whole conversation, but I generally do a blog at a time and read through several posts at once.  Sorry, it just works best with my schedule.  I did read the big controversial post and I didn&#8217;t get the whole negative thing.  Maybe because you were being very kind to me, or maybe because I had heard such horrible things in regards to what was said and then when I read it, I didn&#8217;t see it.</p>
<p>It is a Clique first and foremost and I stand behind you in agreement on that comment.  Secondly there is cliques within that clique if you can believe that.  It is pretty much like the gay community in a smaller division and I am with you in that I wish it didn&#8217;t exist, but if cliques didn&#8217;t exist we would live in a totally different world.  I hate to admit it, but I had a boyfriend in my past that said developmentally on an emotional and social basis, gay men are twelve year old girls (he is now a psychologist).  That means guarded, insecure and into those damn cliques. I agree, and even the ones who claim to be all inclusive like say the bears are still elitist and can be real jerks. </p>
<p>Oh and when i say there are sub cliques, please know I am not a part of many of them including even the bloggers in SF.  Several of them although I know them wont give me the time of day because they think things about me that I don&#8217;t think are justified or just frankly because they are not nice human beings.</p>
<p>I did get your comment a bit before the summit and I don&#8217;t recall, but if it had a &#8220;reply to&#8221; address I definitely either replied or intended to.</p>
<p>End result since this is already long, I enjoyed meeting and talking briefly with you.  I was loaded and was entertaining non blogger out of town guests who i likely focused on too much as they integrated just fine, so if I had to do over and my social skills weren&#8217;t boozed over I&#8217;m sure we would have spoken more and longer with you and recall enjoying the time we did talk.  </p>
<p>The parking and even mass transit down there that day was awful, agreed. I can tell you I have been interacting with these folks I know for going on two years and some are great people, some I am always kind to in person despite what I really feel, but Dan is probably the best about including everyone and not wanting to not include anyone.  Like me he was out of sorts that night due to liquor and other pressures he had on him at that time, but really he is a very open to all and a incredibly sweet and kind person, so I know I can speak for Kalvin, Dan and I when I say that sucks it felt that way and that is something I will work on if there ever this is anything like this again.  </p>
<p>As for weight, I&#8217;m not thin myself so I have no negative opinion of anyone on weight in regards to who a person is.  If I did I would have to hate myself and my whole family and I don&#8217;t and I don&#8217;t care about that even the tiniest bit in my friends or anyone else.  I hope that you are getting some solutions with those you have likely had back and forth comments and Im sorry it turned out to feel that way.  I hope to see you again and to improve that impression.</p>
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		<title>By: jester</title>
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		<dc:creator>jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 21:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric - Welcome! I&#039;ll take a look later today when I get back from rehearsal. Happy Sunday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric &#8211; Welcome! I&#8217;ll take a look later today when I get back from rehearsal. Happy Sunday!</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
		<link>http://www.jestertunes.com/2007/06/27/gay-blogger-summitgay-blogger-clique-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-16377</link>
		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 11:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I added you to my blogroll. Could you take a look and see if my site is worthy to be on your roll? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I added you to my blogroll. Could you take a look and see if my site is worthy to be on your roll? <img src='http://www.jestertunes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jester</title>
		<link>http://www.jestertunes.com/2007/06/27/gay-blogger-summitgay-blogger-clique-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-16274</link>
		<dc:creator>jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darin - I guess that makes it a true &quot;cocktail.&quot; I just kept seeing references to Brett Cajun peeing on someone, and I missed that story!  Chad was kissing me when he was sober, I can only imagine how much friendlier he gets when drunk. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darin &#8211; I guess that makes it a true &#8220;cocktail.&#8221; I just kept seeing references to Brett Cajun peeing on someone, and I missed that story!  Chad was kissing me when he was sober, I can only imagine how much friendlier he gets when drunk. <img src='http://www.jestertunes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Darin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t quote me on this...but I believe someone spilled their cocktail all over the back of me  -  hence, the wet shirt and jeans.  However, I was way too drunk to 1.) Care or 2) Remember.

It was probably Chad Fox - she&#039;s a messy drunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t quote me on this&#8230;but I believe someone spilled their cocktail all over the back of me  &#8211;  hence, the wet shirt and jeans.  However, I was way too drunk to 1.) Care or 2) Remember.</p>
<p>It was probably Chad Fox &#8211; she&#8217;s a messy drunk.</p>
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		<title>By: jester</title>
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		<dc:creator>jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 01:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny - One of my points is that if you&#039;re holding a party with your friends and just inviting people who might know of the group, call it a party. Don&#039;t call it a Blogger Summit like it&#039;s a conference and then act confused when people find themselves wondering where the organization is... Yes, you are a big boy that can introduce yourself to others, so am I... I was concerned about those people who aren&#039;t as outgoing and self-confident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny &#8211; One of my points is that if you&#8217;re holding a party with your friends and just inviting people who might know of the group, call it a party. Don&#8217;t call it a Blogger Summit like it&#8217;s a conference and then act confused when people find themselves wondering where the organization is&#8230; Yes, you are a big boy that can introduce yourself to others, so am I&#8230; I was concerned about those people who aren&#8217;t as outgoing and self-confident.</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 01:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey jester,

i wonder if these people who are busting your balls thought about how they would encourage the new bloggers into the fray.  i, for one, did not expect them to come running up to me and be all hugs and kisses.  i also realize that i am a big boy and need to take responsibility for making an effort to introduce myself to new people as well.  but if you are in a situation like the bloggers summit, where you are already part of the larger group then how hard is it really to go over and invite someone new over?  i&#039;m sure new faces were easy to pick out of the crowd.  and the idea of the summit was to bring people together, right?  especially the new ones.  at least that&#039;s how i saw it.

anyway, i&#039;ve never been too distraught by the idea that people don&#039;t want to necessarily be my friend.  life is too short to worry about them.  luckily, i don&#039;t let it affect MY ability to make friends with others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey jester,</p>
<p>i wonder if these people who are busting your balls thought about how they would encourage the new bloggers into the fray.  i, for one, did not expect them to come running up to me and be all hugs and kisses.  i also realize that i am a big boy and need to take responsibility for making an effort to introduce myself to new people as well.  but if you are in a situation like the bloggers summit, where you are already part of the larger group then how hard is it really to go over and invite someone new over?  i&#8217;m sure new faces were easy to pick out of the crowd.  and the idea of the summit was to bring people together, right?  especially the new ones.  at least that&#8217;s how i saw it.</p>
<p>anyway, i&#8217;ve never been too distraught by the idea that people don&#8217;t want to necessarily be my friend.  life is too short to worry about them.  luckily, i don&#8217;t let it affect MY ability to make friends with others.</p>
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