Gay Blogger Summit/Gay Blogger Clique Redux
 

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My post(s) about the Gay Blogger Summit and the Gay Blogger Clique seems to have made me a bit unpopular.

I’ve actually been accused of secretly talking about people behind their backs.

On my blog.

Which is read by an average of over 400 people per day.

If I want to keep something a secret, I try to avoid posting it here.

So I’m going to use this post to put the whole thing to bed. I was going to respond directly to Chad’s comments on Another Update for The Week via email, but since I’ve received a couple of emails from other parties, and since I’ve been oh-so-subtly called out by Nathan, I decided that a post on my own site is less likely to be misquoted or missed.

You can call it whatever you like, a group of friends, a collection of bloggers who know and like each other… paint the picture how you like, it’s a clique.

From Merriam-Webster: clique: a narrow exclusive circle or group of persons; especially : one held together by common interests, views, or purposes.

As I said in my original post, No Fatties Allowed, about stumbling into the midst of the clique, I tried over a period of weeks to engage members of this group. I commented on posts. I sent email to some. I added blogs to my blogroll.

I got no response.

How could I have stumbled into a group of anywhere from 7-12 bloggers all of whom know each other, all of whom share the same exact policy of non-response to comments or contact from outsiders and not thought that it was some exclusive group?

How many contact attempts should I make before coming to the conclusion that the bloggers in question have no desire to respond, interact, or otherwise communicate with me?

A single comment, email, or visit to my blog by any of the clique members might have given me a different outlook.

However, don’t get me wrong, when it really comes down to it, I don’t care. I found the experience to be interesting from a social view point… that people who were presumably discriminated against, or were excluded as youth (as I would posit most gay people were) would grow up to become people who would exclude others. It was interesting in that I could make a parallel between the blog world and the world of gay clubs and even the high school cafeteria.

I wasn’t intentionally calling anyone out. Not Dan, not Chad, not Chris, or anyone else that lives in that circular blogroll. If I had meant to name names, I would have made it quite clear who I was talking about. And until now, I’d say that none of my readers had any idea who I was referring to. The who wasn’t important.

I made no statements about their characters, or writing abilities. Actually, that’s not true. I said that I enjoyed the blogs, I enjoyed Chad’s artistry and sense of humor. I found Dan’s stories about experiences in and around the city entertaining. If I didn’t enjoy the personality or characters, I wouldn’t have bothered trying to engage the bloggers in conversation.

As far as my take on the one and only podcast I listened to, I realize the distinction between saying that the featured clique members “came across as vapid, screeching queens” and “the clique members are vapid, screeching queens” is subtle, there is a distinction nonetheless.

Having met Dan and Jimmi, I can assure everyone that neither of them are vapid or screechy.

I stand by my assessment of the clique as being exclusive, whether intentional or not. And that brings me to

“The Gay Blogger Summit.”

Lest anyone get the wrong idea, my friends and I had a great time at the party on Friday night. Read my recap. Look at the pictures. Do you see the smiles? Do you see dancing, and nudity, and alcoholic beverages galore? Do you see nipple licking, hugging, and groups of people making silly faces and otherwise engaging in frivolity?

Yes you do.

That’s because it was a good party.

I’m sure that it took a bit of finesse and effort to put the event together. I don’t doubt that.

Here’s where it gets a bit icky for me… it’s obvious to me that the expectation was that all (or nearly all) of the participants knew each other already. I don’t think anyone can argue that the core group were friends. There was little thought or attention paid to people who did not fit into that group.

Several weeks ago I asked Dan if it would be possible to get a list of all the participant’s blog addresses so that I could become familiar with the blogs and the writers before meeting them. I didn’t want to spend the whole evening saying, “Gosh, I’m sorry I haven’t read your blog, I’ll check it out when I get home.”

Dan responded that he had been thinking about that, that he thought it was a good idea, and he would put it together but that a good place to start would be his blogroll.

Dan has a large blogroll, and the names on the Evite don’t match up with it. And many of the bloggers who had RSVP’d the Evite aren’t on his blogroll, including UMB, my friend Dan, or myself. (That’s not a blogroll beg, just an observation.)

A week before the event Dan published the list and I spent as much time as I could reading everyone’s site and commenting.

When the day arrived, parking was indeed a bitch. Yes, I know it is San Francisco. I’m well aware of the parking situation in San Francisco. It was a particularly hard day to find a spot, as a ballgame was scheduled and the bar was within walking distance to the ballpark.

Being a typical sports-hating homo, I know nothing of major league baseball’s schedule. And really, I didn’t even give a single thought to the fact that there might be a game. A heads up would have been greatly appreciated.

It wasn’t anything that ruined the evening. It was a minor frustration that was alleviated immediately upon the purchase of my first Grey Goose martini. I even walked in and loudly asked the question, “Ok, who the hell scheduled a ball game at the same time as our party?” Funny, right?

And then there’s the lack of nametags. I realize it’s a really silly thing when you think about it, however, I have a tendency to try very hard to accommodate people who might feel a bit nervous in social situations. I realize that not everyone has the ability to strike up a conversation with a stranger. I’ve been to several gatherings of people who have met through online forums, and I know that there are many of us geek-types are shy or somewhat socially awkward. Approaching someone who has a nametag on with their blog listed is a little touch that could have made others feel included and identifiable.

Did it ruin the party? Nope. Not at all. At least not for me.

I don’t harbor any ill feelings toward anyone. I didn’t before the event. I truly enjoyed meeting everyone. It was a bit frustrating in that I didn’t know a single person there, despite making a sincere effort to befriend many of the people in attendance prior to the party.

So I hope that this horse can now be considered exhaustively beaten. I think I do a fine job of speaking my mind without others having to put words into my mouth or read between the lines to get at some hidden message that isn’t intended.

If you’re still not convinced, then ask yourself if you really give a shit what *I* think anyway. You all have a great group of friends that love and support you and I invite you all to tell me to go to hell.

I’m sure there’s ample parking.*

* See what I did there? I brought it all home with my joke about parking. Why does no one get my humor?

Would someone please tell me the story of how Brett Cajun came to piss all over someone (is that why Darin’s shirt is wet?)?

14 Responses to “Gay Blogger Summit/Gay Blogger Clique Redux”
 

Wow - it really seems like all of a sudden people are being way too sensitive about stuff. I didn’t see your original post as being negative - it looked like you had a good time.

I wish people would just grow a thicker skin or gain some perspective.

Avitable wrote on June 27th, 2007 at 7:02 am

 
 

Avitable - We did have a good time. What surprises me the most about the whole thing is not that people are being too sensitive… it’s that they give a rat’s ass what I have to say NOW. That first post about the clique was made two months ago… obviously my opinion didn’t matter before, since I never got any responses to comments or those posts. Suddenly we’re all worried about the fact that I dared to comment that parking was bad and there were no name tags?!

Who said anyone had to please me?

Does it matter now simply because I showed up to the party and didn’t have horns growing out of my head, or is it because people are now aware of me and my opinions?

I should have been a sociologist. I find this all very fascinating. I feel like there’s some major truth that I’m on the verge of discovering, but I’m either too obtuse or belligerent to recognize.

jester wrote on June 27th, 2007 at 7:19 am

 
 

Wow…I didn’t realize what an atrocious time you had at that party. I must not be as well equipped at reading between the lines! Really, why do you feel the need to justify yourself? It’s too much drama for such a small, insignificant thing.

Marge wrote on June 27th, 2007 at 11:04 am

 
 

Marge - I have a pathological need to correct people who put words in my mouth. I have no problem saying what I think, I don’t need an interpreter! Miss you!

jester wrote on June 27th, 2007 at 3:03 pm

 
 

hey jester,

i wonder if these people who are busting your balls thought about how they would encourage the new bloggers into the fray. i, for one, did not expect them to come running up to me and be all hugs and kisses. i also realize that i am a big boy and need to take responsibility for making an effort to introduce myself to new people as well. but if you are in a situation like the bloggers summit, where you are already part of the larger group then how hard is it really to go over and invite someone new over? i’m sure new faces were easy to pick out of the crowd. and the idea of the summit was to bring people together, right? especially the new ones. at least that’s how i saw it.

anyway, i’ve never been too distraught by the idea that people don’t want to necessarily be my friend. life is too short to worry about them. luckily, i don’t let it affect MY ability to make friends with others.

danny wrote on June 27th, 2007 at 6:04 pm

 
 

Danny - One of my points is that if you’re holding a party with your friends and just inviting people who might know of the group, call it a party. Don’t call it a Blogger Summit like it’s a conference and then act confused when people find themselves wondering where the organization is… Yes, you are a big boy that can introduce yourself to others, so am I… I was concerned about those people who aren’t as outgoing and self-confident.

jester wrote on June 27th, 2007 at 6:39 pm

 
 

Don’t quote me on this…but I believe someone spilled their cocktail all over the back of me - hence, the wet shirt and jeans. However, I was way too drunk to 1.) Care or 2) Remember.

It was probably Chad Fox - she’s a messy drunk.

Darin wrote on June 27th, 2007 at 9:53 pm

 
 

Darin - I guess that makes it a true “cocktail.” I just kept seeing references to Brett Cajun peeing on someone, and I missed that story! Chad was kissing me when he was sober, I can only imagine how much friendlier he gets when drunk. :)

jester wrote on June 28th, 2007 at 1:56 am

 
 

Hey, I added you to my blogroll. Could you take a look and see if my site is worthy to be on your roll? :-)

eric wrote on July 1st, 2007 at 4:38 am

 
 

Eric - Welcome! I’ll take a look later today when I get back from rehearsal. Happy Sunday!

jester wrote on July 1st, 2007 at 2:55 pm

 
 

Hey there buddy! I’m sure you are sick to death of this whole conversation, but I generally do a blog at a time and read through several posts at once. Sorry, it just works best with my schedule. I did read the big controversial post and I didn’t get the whole negative thing. Maybe because you were being very kind to me, or maybe because I had heard such horrible things in regards to what was said and then when I read it, I didn’t see it.

It is a Clique first and foremost and I stand behind you in agreement on that comment. Secondly there is cliques within that clique if you can believe that. It is pretty much like the gay community in a smaller division and I am with you in that I wish it didn’t exist, but if cliques didn’t exist we would live in a totally different world. I hate to admit it, but I had a boyfriend in my past that said developmentally on an emotional and social basis, gay men are twelve year old girls (he is now a psychologist). That means guarded, insecure and into those damn cliques. I agree, and even the ones who claim to be all inclusive like say the bears are still elitist and can be real jerks.

Oh and when i say there are sub cliques, please know I am not a part of many of them including even the bloggers in SF. Several of them although I know them wont give me the time of day because they think things about me that I don’t think are justified or just frankly because they are not nice human beings.

I did get your comment a bit before the summit and I don’t recall, but if it had a “reply to” address I definitely either replied or intended to.

End result since this is already long, I enjoyed meeting and talking briefly with you. I was loaded and was entertaining non blogger out of town guests who i likely focused on too much as they integrated just fine, so if I had to do over and my social skills weren’t boozed over I’m sure we would have spoken more and longer with you and recall enjoying the time we did talk.

The parking and even mass transit down there that day was awful, agreed. I can tell you I have been interacting with these folks I know for going on two years and some are great people, some I am always kind to in person despite what I really feel, but Dan is probably the best about including everyone and not wanting to not include anyone. Like me he was out of sorts that night due to liquor and other pressures he had on him at that time, but really he is a very open to all and a incredibly sweet and kind person, so I know I can speak for Kalvin, Dan and I when I say that sucks it felt that way and that is something I will work on if there ever this is anything like this again.

As for weight, I’m not thin myself so I have no negative opinion of anyone on weight in regards to who a person is. If I did I would have to hate myself and my whole family and I don’t and I don’t care about that even the tiniest bit in my friends or anyone else. I hope that you are getting some solutions with those you have likely had back and forth comments and Im sorry it turned out to feel that way. I hope to see you again and to improve that impression.

JR wrote on July 10th, 2007 at 8:22 am

 
 

JR - Hey there, and welcome! What bothers me the most about this whole mess is the amount of chatter by people who hadn’t even read my posts. They talked like I was being some bitchy queen who was name calling and being otherwise nasty. That wasn’t the case at all. Thank you for being the only person from that group who understands and agrees about the existence of the clique. My posts never even said anything really negative about the clique, just that it existed and I was reminded of being in middle school and trying to figure out where I fit in. It was an exercise in self-analysis that got blew out of proportion by my daring to suggest there should be nametags! Kee-righst!

My comments about people who hadn’t/didn’t respond to comments weren’t directed at the people whose blogs I commented on the week prior to the event. Those comments were about the people who had ignored repeated comments and attempts at communication for several weeks/months before the event was even planned.

I haven’t mentioned it here yet, but after talking to Dan who has decided to not organize the summit next year, *I* am going to put together an event. My vision for it is somewhat grander and a bit more formal (with a big party too). There will be more details soon.

I really enjoyed meeting you. You were a lot of fun (and a great dancer)! I’m a generally kind person which makes the whole thing that much funnier to me. I almost never get to enjoy being labeled as the bitch!

Keep in touch! ;)

jester wrote on July 10th, 2007 at 1:48 pm

 
 

Wasn’t the blogger summit in June? Isn’t it now like, September? I did read your original posting. I think I may’ve commented on it. I can’t remember. I found some things about it, which I could see where words could be misconstrued. I didn’t get the most positive outlook (about the summit) from your post. But that’s what email is for, to clarify. Not write blog entries. I went through a similar drama a couple of weeks ago. One which could’ve been handled by asking questions; rather than assuming & posting a blog entry. But I guess you have to consider who you’re dealing with. As one of the peeps who commented on this thread wrote an entry about me. I refuted everything he said, under his comments. But he chose not to post it. That’s where motives come into play. But I digress :)

Steve wrote on September 3rd, 2007 at 7:25 pm

 
 

Steve - I must confess that I’m really confused by your comment. Perhaps you could provide me with a link to the blog drama you’re referring to? I know you’ve alluded to it several times on your site, but I have yet to figure out exactly what you’re talking about. This particular post was written back at the end of June…

jester wrote on September 3rd, 2007 at 7:38 pm

 

Say something already!